Like having a good lawn crew --. The Rec.709 standard does not seem to include a Gamma (i.e. The idea is that all footage items are transformed from their input profile to the working space, all calculations are performed in the working space, and then the rendered results are transformed from the working space to the display and output spaces. Put that up on the web in the compression you normally would. 709) when exporting final images from AE? Welcome to Doom9's Forum, THE in-place to be for everyone interested in DVD conversion.. Before you start posting please read the forum rules.By posting to this forum you agree to abide by the rules. A majority of monitors in the world use the sRGB color space and are not that expensive, unlike Adobe RGB monitors. Adobe RGB is another standard, used for many purposes too complicated to get into here. 709 does not specify the display referred gamma, display gamma is discussed in EBU Tech 3320 and specified in ITU-R BT.1886 as a gamma of 2.4. Most computer monitors are factory calibrated for 8 bit sRGB color and range values. Desktop Video 10.9.10. ProArt Display PA278QV is a 27-inch monitor designed to satisfy the needs of creative professionals, from photo and video editing to graphic design. because they always assume your source is in the computer space. 709 are vanishingly small, but Rec. Your question suggests that you may not understand that the Vegas Preview buss and compliant video Output use different color spaces. If, on the other hand, you check the options-->preview "adjust levels from studio levels to computer..." box, your secondary display shows you correct levels, but your FX on your timeline are still acting in the computer levels space. Yes -- but beware your FX behavior. Been engaging in some light Color Management reading for sport. Further, because all image tools are essentially just doing math, by changing the color space (what numbers you use to represent specific colors), you can actually change the look and feel of the tool. Gamut coverage is expressed relative to a known color space. Doesn’t that affect a screen delivery difference?”. ProArt Display PA278QV is factory calibrated and Calman Verified to deliver superb color accuracy (∆E 2). Last changed by Musicvid 709 color space coverage. All displays are RGB displays, but sRGB is primarily used on monitors. I've always checked adjust levels from studio RGB to computer RGB as that sets the computer display to preview source video footage (16-235 black/white levels) properly on a computer monitor. with a levels correction only, but as far as I know, the two look identical. (2005), Grease! Conclusion: the external preview "adjust levels from studio to computer" works fine if you are dealing with standard video source material, but not a mix of video and stills. Thanks for the comments. But the reason you should mostly set your camera to sRGB is to avoid color changes when uploading online or displaying on monitors. 709 when exporting images (mostly PNG’s) for the web from AE, since 99% of the image files on my computer (from the internet but also from my camera etc.) The calibration technology used for this 4K monitor for photo editing is ASUS ProArt. Neither is the "signal path" a constant. on 2/22/2020, 2:48 PM, 709 embedded…? What are your thoughts on this, should I convert to sRGB color or stick with Rec. Are you sure you want to report this commentpostuser as questionable?You may be blocked if you misuse this feature! on 2/23/2020, 5:22 PM, Probably most people edit, as you do, by checking the box and never realize the curves behavior is wonky; they just boost overall contrast to compensate. First, in this day and age, sRGB is a horrible color space. 709 (since I’ll be working in Rec. REC.709. And intuitively, as with your video color grading, you have made some audio events worthy of my highlight reel, rather than the cutting room floor. Yes. Unchecking StudioRGB makes it go from 0-100. They are factory pre-calibrated for accurate color reproduction and VESA wall mountable. The differences between sRGB and Rec. Am I … Yes — but also remember that sRGB is intended for display in a brighter room than Rec. I feel like SRGB is better, but a little too washed out. Last changed by marc-s While Rec. Bringing it back into the Vegas Pro timeline, levels appear identical visually (and on the non-studio RGB scopes) between the rendered file and the individual clips and photos on the timeline.Looking at the file in Media Player Classic Black Edition, it looks as expected.Ditto on YouTube: Conclusion: the external preview "adjust levels from studio to computer" works fine if you are dealing with standard video source material, but not a mix of video and stills. You should not choose a working space based on your monitor; in fact, the entire purpose of color management is to understand and model how different devices represent color, so that you can keep color as consistent and accurate as possible across different devices and environments. Use the grayscale. You just answered all of my questions that I’ve spent weeks trying to figure out, thank you! Hope this helps as this practice has given me consistent a color workflow output. Bilbo Laggins. Top. 709 as gamma 2.2 and 0-255 instead of 16-235 vs sRGB native 2,2, the gamma curve transfer function is a little different, I found a nice picture of a graph that illustrates this. 709 on an sRGB monitor. Rex. 709 have a … I'm definitely in the "good enough" camp when it comes to color management. Most people edit Rec. If you’re not working in the default space for your output (like sRGB for images, or Rec. YouTube and the media player seem fine with this.). changed a total of 2 times. But it depends on the monitor you have. 8 bit 4:4:4, 6400x3600 (16x9), tagged sRGB. If working in computer levels causes some Fx to not work as expected, I think I'll go back to my default way of working (16-235 rec709, and applying a levels correction to video upon export).I remember struggling with this 10 years ago looking at posts from Glenn Chan and Eugenia. But I'm guessing there's a reason Vegas calls it "studio levels" rather than REC 709", Studio Levels = what most video cameras record at (black is 16 and white is 235), Computer Levels = Computer monitors, programs etc. on 2/23/2020, 10:46 AM, White and black compensations off. The differences between sRGB and Rec. (Side note: is it okay that I am not doing anything to limit the video levels upon output? As I said, way too many untrapped variables. Going by Musicvid saying the luminance levels are the same, and knowing the colors are the same as well, including the white point, it can be safely assumed that srgb = rec709. The output color C’ is an encoded value, transformed by the transfer function. It’s based on the same primaries and has the same gamut as Rec. sRGB is a display referred color space originally created for CRT computer monitors, but has become standardized for graphics and print. Last changed by marc-s Otherwise you need a flanders scientific or Sony monitor. That is in the rec 709 definition AFAIK. REC 709 (=Studio RGB) is a universal video production standard used for almost all mainstream media delivery. sRGB is also a good option for video color space because it’s matched with Rec.709 -which is the color space of the HDTV display technology- … Stunning Colour Precision: 10-bit, 100% sRGB and Rec.709* Work confidently in the sRGB and Rec.709 colour space from a wide viewing angle. (that truly was a question by the way not a rhetorical chest poke). In 22 years of production, I have never seen or used a "hypothetical secondary monitor behaving as expected." 709; Some displays, like the DreamColor displays from HP, can show multiple standards: sRGB, Rec. Choosing to work at 16bpc or 32bpc in Ae will give you visibly better results around banding and quantization (rounding) errors — even if you ultimately deliver in an 8bpc format. You can always work in a “none” color space in AE (good) or the ACES space (better, but might be overkill) and choose a 16 or 32 bit composition and then choose your output file format. So you are really asking two questions, not one. There is a dual-range calibration grayscale for this purpose linked in my signature. Thank you so much, Walter! For Resident Evil 2 on the PC, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "Did anyone get HDR working? When I render that, i can't preview the result, because i have only sRGB monitors. outputs wont even pass RGB. Rec. 709 and sRGB share the same primary chromaticities and white point chromaticity; however, sRGB is explicitly output (display) referred with an equivalent gamma of 2.2. Hello ! You don’t want to building in a correction that might fight with user’s monitor brand X.”. sRGB is a modified version of BT.709 and your monitor supports BT.709 and sRGB. All Designer monitors in the PD series are Technicolor Colour Certified, ensuring consistent and accurate colours for an impressive colour performance. It is worth noting that Rec. However, I’m curious if you think that it’s better to convert to (by embedding) sRGB instead of Rec. Consumer monitors introduce an additional standard called sRGB. So in this situation i will render in sRGB, then convert it DCP with losing colors, because if i use XYZ, I can't preview result. +1. I'm aware there is a whole other dimension of complexity when it comes to broadcast. Not that this is a good idea, but it’s the monitor type most people have. 709, 100% sRGB, 99.5% Adobe RGB, 90% DCI-P3, and Rec. In this workflow, for example, curves will not map black to black, as you'd expect, because black = 16, and any applied curve will push that value higher or lower accordingly (I think this is in part why so many people using Vegas find themselves having midtone contrast issues). help is greatly appreciated. 709 specifies the OETF (opto electrical transfer function) of HDTV encoding in reference to the camera, known as camera gamma (sometimes indicated as "scene-referred" gamma). [Steve Bentley] “As a related follow up. Its best to work in a color space that is at least equivalent to the one you will output to or preferably one that is more spacious. on 2/22/2020, 3:13 PM, HDTVs use a similar space, commonly called Rec. And most video is Rec.709, so we’re in trouble. It was the intent of the sRGB standard creators that images not only look the same on different computers and monitors, but also that sRGB images on the computer (high ambient light) should give the same subjective contrast experience as Rec.709 images viewed on … 709 is very nearly the same color gamut as sRGB. Roger I think you read me backwards. "Yes, luminance is the same. Because we can choose the kind of file we output to in AE (and therefore it’s inherent bit depth and in some cases the inherent color space those formats are restricted to), are you saying that the color space in AE, which is of course defining the envelope you are working in, is also passing that color space data to the output file and affects external representation on another system, another monitor, another environment? Do let us know what you come up with for your own workflow, and good luck! It provides up to 1440p and 4K resolution, supports 100% Rec. As an alternate workflow, if you convert everything on your timeline (video included) to computer levels, preview in computer levels, edit as desired, and then (and only then) apply a master levels correction back to studio immediately before you render out, the curves and levels (gamma) FX behave exactly as you'd expect. In kinda the same way that photoshop can embed a profile? This monitor also offers 99% sRGB and 99% Rec 709 color coverage. on 2/23/2020, 1:57 PM, The 422HQ is set on import to HDTV (Rec.709) Y’CbCr and the 4444 to Rec.709 Gamma 2.4; Both of those .mov’s look the same but have a crushed gamma compared to the project files (black values of 4-16 are completely gone) to make them the same as the project I have to add “Color Profile Converter” and set output to Rec.709 Gamma 2.4 Login or Sign Up, Forums › Adobe After Effects › Rec. (3) Is it a bad idea to embed Rec. I personally wouldn’t want to embed a color space in a file because that may alter the things you want to do with it later, or restrict what a user can see who’s screen is set up for another color space. More reading: https://www.w3.org/Graphics/Color/sRGB.html. The Rec.709 standard does not seem to include a Gamma (i.e. Here is the answer I respectfully gave you in my first reply. The P3 covers Rec BT 709 (very similar to sRGB) but lacks in the greens compared to Rec BT2020, which is well beyond any current displays sans very expensive high-end color grading displays. GTX 970 with GeForce 390.77 driver. ASUS ProArt Display PA278QV 27” WQHD (2560 x 1440) Monitor 100 sRGB/Rec. Secondary Display --> "adjust levels from studio RGB to computer RGB" checked, Secondary Display --> "adjust levels from studio RGB to computer RGB" *unchecked*. have a look at this post: https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/1128770 By setting the space to 709 isn’t this user limiting what they could be doing with the footage given the space inherent in the source? If web, you want sRGB. Right? Each BenQ Video Post-Production Monitor is individually factory-calibrated upon production to assure precise Delta-E and Gamma performance. have a look at this post: https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/2/1128770 By setting the space to 709 isn’t this user limiting what they could be doing with the footage given the space inherent in the source?”. changed a total of 7 times. And bllack is 0 , white is 255 I do not understand this contradiction. Until now I've been just doing the levels conversion upon output, but I want to try the device preview "adjust levels from studio RGB to computer RGB" instead.My goal is to preview what the video will look like upon output for web display.My external preview device is a hardware calibrated NEC with internal LUT. changed a total of 3 times. With a pluge or elements you make on your own (with lots of detail in the toe or the shoulder of the color space curve), the difference between a 2.4 gamma and a 2.2 becomes glaringly obvious. Windows 10, intel i7-980x, 24GB RAM, Nvidia Rtx 2070 super, SSD & RAID media disks. I put one of the wedges and the pluge on both tracks, so we can easily see the difference.I rendered a video that is a combination of the still test files and a video with Colorchecker Passport. Rec.709 is the current standard space required for every kind of widescreen home media available today, from DVDs to HD cable, Blu-rays to streaming video. You can’t get a smooth single-color gradient over an HD frame at 8bpc in any color space. And I guarantee that 90 percent of the screens used for watching youtube are not set up properly. 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YouTube and the media player seem fine with this.). If web, you want sRGB. It also provides industry-standard 100% sRGB / 100% Rec. 709 wide color gamut Yes, you can embed a profile in output from Ae like Photoshop, but it’s also then up to the next application to understand the profile. -- AFM, ASCAP, BMI, ACB, CMEA, Retired in good standing, -- Regional Music Direction / Production Credits: West Side Story (1996), The Who's Tommy (1998), Anything Goes (1998, 2000), Suds (2001), Joseph... Technicolor Dreamcoat (2002), Fiddler on the Roof (2003), Little Shop of Horrors (2004), South Pacific (2005), Hello, Dolly! 709 color profile when exporting PNG-images for the web, and why? 709 vs. sRGB In reply to Doug Pardee • Sep 4, 2007 Doug Pardee wrote: …

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